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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings it's

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been a minute so you know i'm all kinds

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of excited and it has nothing to do with

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vinnie adams red wine at all

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i'm your host dj here with the all-star

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cast and we got something a little bit

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special for you almost as special as

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kevin's shoulders but before we get to

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we're gonna talk about the money man the

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crown prince of unpacking

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unloading on ramping unramping

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uh what's the other one nathan

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distilling right

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all that stuff ontology

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party people put your hands together for

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my co-conspirator in this joint that

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made this stuff look like a damn pro

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money nathan what's up

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thank you good to be here guys how y'all

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doing

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baby couldn't be a whole lot better uh

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after that let's talk about the man who

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is trying to look like the dude from

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star wars man who's you know he's got

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the headset got the the headlights going

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on some led o double g's on the front of

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that he's got the shoulders like

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moulders uh and you know what he came up

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with some amount

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some amazing artwork for kate casey

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party people put those hands together

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i'm sexy yeah okay then kevin

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um this lady right here uh i'm sorry

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that you can't see

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her hair

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uh because this lock of auburnness is is

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something to behold um use your

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imagination uh that's all i can say

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until uh she decides to uh give up her

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top secret job and and come and come

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clean

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on us put your hands together for our

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researcher on the show uh deb at a study

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of uaps hi and and they may be treads

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one day

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the host of devs data dojo give it up

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oh man uh you know she was prevented

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from talking about uaps and having to go

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to a wedding for 24 hours and and it's

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almost like you know like uh a band of

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brothers you know she survived the

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battle of bastogne uh in a manner and

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return to be able to talk about uap so

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hey what's going look what's up man

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steph is uh no excuse me um

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what's our our homegirl that's in the

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chat right now

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allison i gotta mess up hacha pachama

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pacha mama

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i don't even know if i can say that but

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uh now um

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so uh we were blessed uh based on

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uh kevin

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and deb's uh introduction

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uh to get this young lady to join us uh

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uh her name is at uap

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experiencers

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and uh when i spoke with her on the

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phone i could see

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uh why they want to get this girl up in

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the joint so our guest co-host tonight

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somebody we're taking a hard look at

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party people put those hands together

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for stephanie at uap

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experiencers

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give up some get that cheeto dust off

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your hair just yeah welcome steph

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thank you dj thank you for that welcome

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i couldn't think of a better way to

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start my monday so start my week this is

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we are every bit as excited as you are i

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assure you

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and coming up money man kate casey man i

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told you guys about her

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uh and now

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you know it's game time man

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are we ready

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i'm definitely ready man all right she's

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all right so okay guys all right this is

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what i'm talking about right here

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this young lady right here okay uh

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chester pa's own okay the queen of doc

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of docuseries of true crime murder of

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um she's a mom

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and she's a straight straight-up g when

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it comes to being on on podcast you've

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got to check her out she's the host of

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reality life with kate casey party

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people put those hands together for kate

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emojis all over the joint man

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all right welcome to the show

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welcome back kate oh man i tried i

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should have looked at the date of last

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time you were on the mma show when you

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basically took pity on me and came on

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that show and made basically the best

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show i've ever done wasn't you know no

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big deal but yeah best show i've ever

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done oh that's sweet

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i'm glad to be here i'm a little nervous

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i don't know if i'm gonna agree with

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everybody but i'm happy to be here we

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don't agree with everybody either so

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it's all good okay good good company

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100 okay yeah this is not here to push

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anything on you

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yeah this is a very very welcoming

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atmosphere it's all about the guests

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feeling uh loved and appreciated when

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they leave and what information we get

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they left is uh it's it's cool but it's

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not you know the biggest thing but

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having a good time and sharing some

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ideas and learning together uh and

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enjoying it is the main goal of of

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calling all beings so uh real quickly

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kate since last time you saw me uh i i

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had heard about uh current commander

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david fravor on joe rogan telling about

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his experience chasing uh that ufo with

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his fa-18 along with uh lieutenant

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commander alex dietrich

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and um i talked about it on a subsequent

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episode to the one that you were on with

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and then one day i said to them you know

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what i'm not really

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anymore and furthering their brand uh i

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really want to start talking about ufos

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you care more about it yes yeah well yes

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that the ufc was going in terms of how

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that they were taking care of and and

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treating the fighters it wasn't

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consistent with my values having uh kind

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of grown in the sport for a while you

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know practiced it a bit you know i went

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to shows covered shows interviewed

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fighters and then podcasted etc for a

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little over a decade

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in any case i started the ufo show and

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cool guest from scotland to come on name

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andy who's very popular and nathan that

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you see at the bottom of your screen

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there called in and when i heard nathan

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uh the the the sort of the fireworks

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went off the heart bubble emojis and i

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asked him to um to speak with me after

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the show and uh after doing a couple

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shows together um he created what you

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see this professional joint that you see

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that's not a podcast but rather like a

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live youtube and you know with all this

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imaging he did all that so awesome

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since this audience doesn't know about

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you can you just tell us all i i know

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about you but could you please just tell

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the ufo audience a little bit about who

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casey casey is

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sure i consider myself an unscripted

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television expert i watch a prodigious

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amount of unscripted television so under

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docuseries in every category

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whatever it is

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and i have episodes three times a week

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on tuesdays i tell you what to watch

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that that week which i think saves

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people a ton of time so

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they don't have to look for something to

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and lists uh network lists of what to

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and i receive those emails and that's

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what to watch within the bands you know

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the actual platforms that i'm subscribed

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to but uh now kate i'm going to turn you

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over to the very capable hands of my

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kate it's great to have you with us uh

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dj has uh been singing your praises and

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we've been getting caught up on your

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content and just really enjoying it my

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towards your stuff as well um you've got

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material and and also insight into this

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kind of space and one question that i

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secret sauce like what makes

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complicated friendships or it's a

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competition show where you're seeing

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is us as an example just because a lot

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of people like that show

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the the burden of somebody who loves

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people that have been off the air for a

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long time and and hearing how their life

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continue to change after they open up

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their lives to cameras i think is

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continues to be a really interesting

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thing

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i kind of think of myself as like a

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cultural anthropologist oh okay oh

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i like that like an ethnographer uh and

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and do you think that the uh like with

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the sort of advent of podcasting and and

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live streaming on youtube like is the

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genre kind of changing along with those

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platforms now it sounds like it is based

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on you know what you just said there for

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sure and i think that that networks are

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far more interested in documentaries now

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i mean you their numbers are going up

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and you can see it also in streaming

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platforms that a short series or a

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documentary will get a ton of downloads

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or reviews

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whereas the burden is on like a cable

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network if you have a reality show i

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mean just to get to somebody have

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somebody

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have the patience to watch once a week

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and wait is is is waning and then if you

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do have a reality show

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they tend to let you binge them all in

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one sitting and and so that's kind of

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similar to a docu-series right because

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in most cases you can watch that

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docu-series on a platform back to back

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to back if you want

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with the exception of some cable

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networks of the undocu series but i

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think that when you know

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i think people obsess about stuff

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i know i do and so if i begin watching

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something i'm on you know my device

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googling things information

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and i think that if you make it binge

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worthy people are tend to be more

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invested and go the long distance versus

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something on cable where you're just

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like oh i forgot about it because there

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are other things going on in my life

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when you uh i think it was i don't know

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if it was last season or season before i

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remember listening to your podcast and

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hearing you speak about the real

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housewives of orange county something

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that's very close to you because you

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live there and you

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the words that came out of your mouth

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were actualized by bravo you're

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basically like look i live here um i

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these i don't know these aren't the

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women that i know or that i see around

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or or hang around and i really think

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this show needs a reboot do you think

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that that the result of that was what

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happened

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well no because i think they didn't

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really reboot orange county they're

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rebooting new york so they're um what

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they're doing in new york is they're

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going to do a legacy show with women

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that have been on the show and then

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create a whole new show that is really

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more of what i've been telling them to

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do orange county they just added like

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one or two new people i i you know um

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well real housewives is really kind of

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like menudo right where it's just like

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they spot people in and out and they're

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all expendable even though the

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the people on the shows don't realize

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that but

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in the end it's not sustainable if it's

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not great storytelling so i think that

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the shows that have

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more um

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cast changes do better and i think some

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of those franchises keep people far too

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long i mean it's like if you go to a

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dinner party with the same people all

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the time you get bored right

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you want to like meet new people have

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get a new job right like no one wants to

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stay in the same job for 40 years

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anymore because it's boring so i think

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that that's

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reflective in in the way that these

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networks choose shows and how they're

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operating in a new modern way in 2022

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and beyond because

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it takes a lot to keep people interested

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and i don't know if the

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the strategy which they've had for a

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show like real housewives or the

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bachelor really work anymore it's not

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really that modern

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yeah um and you know i was going to ask

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the elizabeth vargas story about the

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restaurant but i'm going to save that

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for later because i got to get my

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amazing co-host in here so i'm going to

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hand you over to our humorist up at the

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top of your screen mr kevin flareous

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kevin

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now that's you

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oh it's nice to meet you my name's kevin

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um i actually had an idea i wanted to

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pitch to you but i'm going to do that

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later on so for now

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yeah yeah

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for now i actually just had some

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questions because

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one of the things i did when i when i

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learned that we were going to have you

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on i started watching

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some of the reality shows i noticed my

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wife tunes into new jersey you know

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yeah so um but one of the things i

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noticed really fast as a psych major

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i was diagnosing

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a lot of people are psychology

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like right i mean like narcissistic

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personality disorders i'm seeing

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histrionic

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yes

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is is it

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is this something that evolves

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as you're an actor or is it maybe kind

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of a requirement to being in front of a

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camera do you have to

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kind of on the show but i is it i think

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that all producers of real housewives

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would say

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that there's an element of narcissism in

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each person they cast because

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normal people would not go i'm totally

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okay with

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exposing my home

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my spouse my children they live in

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perpetuity

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right on tv like

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your kid is in the fifth grade for the

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rest of their life people are gonna

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reflect on the bratty behavior they had

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in the fifth grade

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one

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a normal person would go

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okay in the long term this is probably

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not great for my family so i'm gonna say

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no but there has to be an element of

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narcissism for someone to go

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yeah i'm okay with that because i will

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be you know the star of my own show also

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it's kind of an interesting element

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because you sometimes have someone who

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and this is not just for real housewives

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i say this for the bachelor and other

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shows too

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they have this sudden success and

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they're sort of stuck in the age that

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they became successful

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and i also think that um the brain

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chemistry changes once they become

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famous and what i often hear from people

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especially those that were on shows a

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long time ago is like you're famous but

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you're not successful right because

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people know who you are

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but if you're not on the show anymore

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you certainly don't make any income and

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you don't necessarily make a lot of

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income being on a reality show

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so if you're on the bachelor you're on

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one season maybe you go to bastion

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paradise but it's hard to sustain that

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you can be an instagram influencer but

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the money that you get from you know the

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show doesn't last that long so i think

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it changes someone's um

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brain chemistry i think it's a really

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dangerous choice to make to do it but

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there are there have been some people

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that have been very successful doing so

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and i think it's because they go in with

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a game plan they think to themselves if

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this doesn't work out what is my backup

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plan and also how i'm going to how will

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i use this to my advantage

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so you have somebody from real

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housewives of new york named bethany

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frankel who

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ended up selling a hugely successful

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alcohol business and it's launched other

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businesses because of it but

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mostly it's a lot of people that

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may have just been like in the

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housewives like a stay-at-home mom maybe

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they have never had a job and so

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suddenly they have income and they're

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emboldened by this

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you know having their own income and

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having a little bit of independence and

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then it's gone because they're you know

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replaced by somebody and i think it's a

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real head trip for people

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yeah it must be a huge letdown also if

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you know if

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you're oh yeah let let out you know like

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he's fired is that how it works and

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oh yeah you may end up

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the same person who thought i'm so

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interesting and important that i should

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be on a television show is suddenly told

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you're not that interesting or exciting

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so some of them will say to me in

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interviews um and one in particular a

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housewife told me

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i became

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my new addiction became my addiction to

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fame and so i thought my entire life was

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over when i was no longer on the show

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if they go off on the shows they off the

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show they'll

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um unfollow a lot of people on social

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media they want to completely separate

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themselves from that life because it's

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too painful to see others

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celebrating being a television

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personality

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yeah i yelled out jill's aaron but that

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was probably inappropriate

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no no it wasn't jill's error okay

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um so um

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right now uh so by the way you know we

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just to give you a little background on

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our show you know kevin uh works with

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children from a mental health

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perspective as does uh the next person

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we're gonna turn you over to our show

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researcher deb

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also works with uh council's children

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and adults

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uh steph steph i'm gonna let you

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staff staff steph she might be on mute

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all right nathan

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nathan uh works at a law firm but he has

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a masters in divinity and i'm okay yeah

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i'm me i'm not sure what i am but you

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already know uh i'm kate i i would be

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kate casey's coffee getter uh for her

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next project you're an amazing person

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that's what i would say yeah that's oh

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thank you thank you buddy anyway uh deb

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you're gonna take that right angle turn

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towards

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the phenomenon

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okay so

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i i know that you um

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made a decision to do a little bit of

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research before coming in to talk ufos

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and i was just wondering

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from that research perspective

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um what you came away with like what you

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came to this thinking about

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well you know i'm i had this real

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conversation with myself like

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uh

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i i still don't

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believe in

556
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,400
i don't believe that the the the flying

557
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:56,159
saucers and the other unidentifiable

558
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:59,360
objects are from another world or planet

559
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,559
but i'm like

560
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,799
i'm still the same person who believes

561
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,200
that my loved ones have passed away can

562
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,559
connect with me

563
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,799
so i've been wrestling with that like

564
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,799
how do i believe that but i don't

565
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,640
believe that

566
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,200
and i think it's because i feel like the

567
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,200
messages that i get from loved ones are

568
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:18,799
more specific

569
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,440
and with the um

570
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,679
uaps it i just feel like there's not

571
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,440
enough data

572
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:28,080
that i'm having a hard time

573
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:29,919
making a clear decision i think that

574
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,840
strange things happen

575
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,520
but i don't know if i have enough data

576
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,360
that proves to me that

577
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,520
there's an absolute and i think i also

578
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,840
process things like

579
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,520
if there were

580
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,360
other worldly beings and then they were

581
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,919
spying on us would they go and use

582
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,720
man-made materials would they when would

583
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,960
they be spying in a more discreet way

584
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,120
and why are they always over

585
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,880
barren areas

586
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,400
and then also

587
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,559
after living in a military town for some

588
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,039
time knowing that

589
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,280
our military is extremely sophisticated

590
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,640
i don't know about other countries i'm

591
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,600
assuming

592
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,360
as well that

593
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,880
there are things that they're working on

594
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,360
that are so far advanced that it would

595
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,000
make sense to me that someone in 1952 or

596
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,799
1997 or 2012

597
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:19,600
may see something that is made by our

598
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,400
military or even another military or

599
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,400
even a private citizen with an enormous

600
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,880
amount of money that they could perceive

601
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,360
as something that is a uap but is in

602
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,360
fact you know like a almost like a

603
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:33,919
sophisticated drone so that's what i'm

604
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,200
wrestling with is like

605
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,600
why i can't fully believe in it i think

606
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,360
it's because of the i don't see that

607
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,280
enough enough data

608
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,360
and then the last part of it is i i

609
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,480
worry too that maybe the media

610
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,919
has um

611
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,240
spun certainly like in the 50s and 60s

612
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,640
have spun certain

613
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:56,159
a view or

614
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,600
witnesses stories to to fit a narrative

615
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,600
like it seems like kenneth arnold

616
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,559
was the one that mentioned the saucers

617
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,640
and that the media may have run with it

618
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,960
and then twisted some stories to make

619
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,679
them a little bit more embellished

620
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,200
so those are the things that i'm

621
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,120
wrestling with i wouldn't say i have an

622
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,679
absolute view i would still say i don't

623
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,760
have enough data i just want to say one

624
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,159
thing before deb responds you we may all

625
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,520
be in agreement with you we don't know

626
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,679
that they're from outer space but that

627
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,960
also doesn't mean that they're

628
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,240
human-made

629
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:30,240
so that that just chew on that for a

630
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,840
second deb

631
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,480
yeah actually i was reading keel this

632
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,919
weekend and that was like one of the

633
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,840
first things he pointed out that even

634
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,080
back in the 50s people were saying maybe

635
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,840
not from outer space

636
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,080
and the media jumped on that and

637
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:45,919
apparently there were stories before

638
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,720
kenneth arnold about saucers

639
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,559
so there's a whole bunch that you know

640
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,440
we question but i guess i wanted to just

641
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,200
let you know that

642
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,000
despite having personal experiences with

643
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,679
this i too

644
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,520
kind of started doing my research from

645
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,960
that point of view

646
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,200
um and i just wanted to offer that

647
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,200
comfort that you know i too is like well

648
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,360
we must have made these but i did go

649
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,320
down

650
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,159
uh the research path and there's plenty

651
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,960
plenty if you want to find it

652
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,880
another thing that i i'm wrestling with

653
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:20,240
is like

654
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,679
i absolutely believe that amelia earhart

655
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,760
crashed her plane and that she was

656
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,360
likely

657
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,480
died in a japanese internment camp

658
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,159
and i believe the government covered

659
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,200
that up

660
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,440
so if i believe that

661
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,880
why can't i believe that the government

662
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,440
will cover other things up well i just

663
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,880
i'll just jump in there and say one of

664
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,559
the things is that from an aviation

665
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:44,400
perspective which is what my background

666
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:45,120
is

667
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,159
are certain um certain standards that

668
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,159
need to be met you know you have to have

669
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,960
a wing surface that creates lift there

670
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:57,760
uh all of the craft that we fly have to

671
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,400
interact with the air in some way in

672
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,640
order to propulse create lift we have to

673
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,679
have ailerons rudders uh elevators all

674
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,679
these sorts of control surfaces

675
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,600
and when you see something and when

676
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,000
these aviators are seeing something like

677
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,080
the navy guys that's a craft but it

678
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:16,240
doesn't have any of that and there's no

679
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,600
heat signature so anything that uh that

680
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,000
that offers propulsion that we know of

681
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,320
has a thermodynamic signature even a

682
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,039
battery in a in a drone will get hot

683
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,120
just like a battery in your laptop or

684
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,960
your flashlight or anything

685
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,400
and when you're seeing something that

686
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,840
has no signature it has no wings and it

687
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,480
just moves at right angles

688
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,080
like that we don't have anything that

689
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,159
can we don't know how to do that as of

690
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,240
yet and the penner the former uh

691
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,320
director of the pentagon program louis

692
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,159
elizondo says that he says i was read

693
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,640
into i know basically what we have and

694
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,640
we don't have anything that does that

695
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,320
so that's that's i'll just leave you

696
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,600
with that but i want a passion yeah i

697
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,520
think i think that that's the

698
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,520
disadvantage of someone who doesn't have

699
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,760
aviation experience

700
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,679
is that uh i wouldn't understand those

701
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,840
nuances now my babysitter's husband

702
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,320
today showed me this video uh in over

703
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,679
israel

704
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:10,960
oh yeah

705
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,080
and he he said this is the clear example

706
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,559
of it and even in that case i thought

707
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:18,559
well that looks like two

708
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,440
two

709
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,919
modes of transportation that

710
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,720
that you know hit each other causing an

711
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:25,919
explosion

712
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,039
but did you see that and think

713
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,440
that that's moving too fast in a strange

714
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,360
angle that i can't understand what

715
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,240
vehicle would do that that's the point

716
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,320
that's the point is because i know what

717
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,640
i know i know how drones operate and how

718
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,440
they fly i know how rotary wing aircraft

719
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,600
like helicopter how they app operated

720
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,960
how they fly

721
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,600
uh and of course fixed-wing aircraft

722
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,159
and these don't fit those categories and

723
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,400
that those are the ones that when we

724
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:55,919
hear those accounts from credible

725
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,960
sources that that blow our minds but um

726
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,720
i don't want to hog up obviously i want

727
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,559
to turn you over to so if this were a

728
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,200
one percent uh motorcycle gang here that

729
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,039
person at the bottom of the screen

730
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,360
wearing the the prospect vest that only

731
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,360
has the bottom rocker she's waiting for

732
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,600
that top rocker is is the lovely miss

733
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,240
stephanie i came prepared thank you and

734
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:17,840
you know i agree with you kate also i

735
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,480
think a healthy mind would speculate and

736
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,799
even having been an experience for

737
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,919
myself

738
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,000
i questioned what i had seen because

739
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,320
it's so out of this world it really

740
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,480
truly does make you question yourself so

741
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,320
i agree with you especially if you

742
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,159
haven't seen anything or if you have a

743
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,760
family member maybe down the line that

744
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,240
might come forward after hearing about

745
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,080
you on this conversation with us you

746
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,760
know they might they might start coming

747
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,440
out of the woodwork well that's what my

748
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,080
babysitter's husband said uh yeah renee

749
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,760
he said i just feel like you have to

750
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,159
experience it to really because he said

751
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,480
that he has experienced it

752
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,440
um

753
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,880
and the other thing i was gonna say

754
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,799
about phenomenon is that i think they

755
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:58,799
make it a mistake sounded like robert

756
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,240
stack was the narrator am i wrong no he

757
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:03,919
wasn't he wasn't alive when they made

758
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,039
this this was in 2020 it's almost sounds

759
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:09,039
like him and for that i thought well

760
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:10,240
that

761
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:14,960
because it sounds like an episode of

762
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,240
yeah i love that you know what i mean

763
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,679
i think they went they should have had

764
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:22,080
like colon powell or somebody you know

765
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,360
narrating

766
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,080
like all right his hourly rate come on

767
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,080
kate who's gonna afford colin powell man

768
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:29,600
we forced

769
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,070
a better narrator and also some of the

770
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,840
stories like i think they had too much

771
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,760
filler where i was like like the teacher

772
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,640
from australia and they showed the

773
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:45,039
students and they just look like

774
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:45,960
you know

775
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,200
simple-minded people in like rural

776
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,559
australia

777
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,240
and then the teacher even though this

778
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,159
happened 50 years ago he's not brave

779
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,480
enough to show his face and he says

780
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,240
you know these people they knocked on my

781
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,520
door and they told me like you're going

782
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,799
to lose your job it's like well you're

783
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,360
probably retired now so like

784
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,360
show your face

785
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,440
if i were the director i would i

786
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,960
wouldn't have left that stuff in because

787
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,559
i think that it's hard for somebody

788
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,799
who's already skeptical to stay off stay

789
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,240
the course

790
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,360
for some of those scenes

791
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,840
i think what you need are people that

792
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,960
are high level like educated high level

793
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,600
in the military those i think were the

794
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,279
far more

795
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,240
interesting um and compelling

796
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,360
um experts right but i thought like in

797
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,840
1950 this like housewife and her husband

798
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,600
were like on their farm in oklahoma and

799
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,240
like yes i'm a member of a foreign

800
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,720
military with some advanced technology

801
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,320
i'm going to go to the farm in oklahoma

802
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,320
i'm not going to fly over like dodger

803
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,559
stadium because

804
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,159
you know you want to be on the gl a

805
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,559
little bit like yeah of course there

806
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,720
actually was a very prolific incident in

807
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:57,120
la by the way but uh

808
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,640
well i don't want to take up stephanie's

809
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,760
time did you have anything else you

810
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,760
ready to pass to nathan well and it is

811
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,440
more validating also when it comes from

812
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,440
that credible source where you go okay

813
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,440
you have the military they have flair

814
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,440
equipment they have night vision they

815
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,960
have all of the cameras that can

816
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,600
actually capture something so in order

817
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,320
for the public to grasp this

818
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,480
you know situation that might be

819
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,679
happening here

820
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,840
sure i would go to them as well and you

821
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,320
know dj he came from an aviation

822
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,559
background my family owned and operated

823
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:28,960
an aerospace machine shop in gardena

824
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,480
california from night yeah 1945 to we

825
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,120
closed up shop in 2002 but at a very

826
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,279
young age i could

827
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:38,880
tell the difference between an airplane

828
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:42,080
helicopter a dc-10 a stealth bomber you

829
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,520
name it so um i am i'm an experiencer

830
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:48,080
and an experiencer essentially someone

831
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,200
who has

832
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,000
witnessed a uap or some type of

833
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,360
phenomena so um yeah and that's exactly

834
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:57,919
what that person would be if they would

835
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:01,519
have seen something so at a young age

836
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:02,799
i didn't know what the heck i was

837
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,919
looking at initially but we knew that

838
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,559
all four of us in the car knew coming

839
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:10,559
from an aerospace background that what

840
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,080
we were being essentially followed by

841
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,279
was not a helicopter or an airplane so

842
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,559
that's where

843
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,320
you know you kind of start to question

844
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,080
things when you become an adult and you

845
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,159
you start to think about well what what

846
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,559
actually happened to us at that time all

847
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,039
of these events are starting to add up

848
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,679
and you know other people are beginning

849
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,080
to you know accept this in some some

850
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,360
sense and uh yeah and so you know you

851
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:39,519
really start to want to talk about it as

852
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,679
you you know get older you're going i

853
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,000
have nothing to lose like show my face i

854
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,640
i could care less you know let's let's

855
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,320
figure out what this is that's

856
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,880
penetrating our airspace because it one

857
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,159
it could be

858
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,320
you know a potential threat

859
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,320
and you know we don't know what it is so

860
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,760
we're trying to figure it out all

861
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,679
together and then on top of it you know

862
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,240
let's let's tell some stories from some

863
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,559
experiencers so that's pretty much what

864
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,360
i do i i have experiencers come forth to

865
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,159
me they you know describe the whole five

866
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,840
observables and

867
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,240
they you know i go through a process to

868
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,320
try and like figure out

869
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,080
you know what is

870
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,919
you know something that i believe should

871
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,279
be shared you know i don't know if

872
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,000
they've been you know on any type of uh

873
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,080
thing that would alter their mind if you

874
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,000
will so because there's a lot of that

875
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,799
also so you know but there's also a lot

876
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,799
of credible civilian accounts that have

877
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,799
come forth and it's just extremely

878
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,799
fascinating so i'm not here to push

879
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:38,159
anything on you i don't want to try to

880
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,470
yeah and they've come to us i mean

881
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,720
history has shown us that the more

882
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,960
advanced civilization takes over the

883
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,480
other right

884
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,799
well if they have advanced

885
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,679
um

886
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:02,159
technologies to come and to use

887
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,679
something like like a ufo or uap

888
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,600
yep wouldn't they ultimately come to

889
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,600
dominate us and if so why haven't they

890
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,039
done so yet

891
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,960
from a human perspective so when you

892
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,320
look at it like a human but if we're

893
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,960
talking about a non-human intelligence

894
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,039
then we can't know what they would do

895
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,399
just like i don't know what you're gonna

896
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,880
do tonight when you get off air i don't

897
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,399
i certainly don't know what another

898
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,360
intelligence's intention is or their

899
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:28,960
goal is

900
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:31,519
yeah but they could be observing us i

901
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,159
mean that's that's what i believe that

902
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:35,919
they're they're they're observing us

903
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,559
they're curious about us and you know

904
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,799
what are their intentions not not too

905
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,159
sure you know i've heard of radiation

906
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,600
um

907
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,600
coming from the craft i don't know

908
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:49,679
necessarily if that would be some form

909
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,640
of a weapon or that could that could be

910
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,880
their way of beaming back up to wherever

911
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,799
they came from you know that might not

912
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,720
be an intentional thing that they're

913
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,960
doing so that's something that's

914
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:02,399
something to be understood that's for

915
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,120
sure

916
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,509
let me pass over to money nathan

917
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,119
yeah i think uh everything that you've

918
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,520
talked about is um i mean it should be

919
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,679
applauded quite frankly and we

920
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,079
you know i think we need to throw every

921
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,919
question that we can at whatever this

922
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,280
happens to be

923
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,480
because at the end of the day it's

924
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,800
either going to stick or it's not right

925
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,399
that we're going to answer those

926
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:26,079
questions or not

927
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,960
um

928
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879
i found it interesting you know you did

929
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,879
talk a little bit about you've got

930
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,320
more experience with kind of the

931
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,159
paranormal

932
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,399
side of things um and i don't know if

933
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,679
you you know

934
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,960
wanted to be comfortable talking about

935
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,320
that but two do you also have any

936
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,599
friends who've had

937
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,079
experiences that might kind of be more

938
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,000
in the paranormal camp or yeah i think

939
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,679
that's another great point to make is

940
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,679
that i've had far more friends that have

941
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,520
experienced um

942
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,320
a paranormal or an experience with a

943
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,159
medium where they got a message from a

944
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,599
loved one that passed

945
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,760
and that's probably why i believe more

946
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,280
in that i

947
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,320
never i mean i have a very large friend

948
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,240
group that are in the military many that

949
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,760
are pilots

950
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,359
and none of them have had one of those

951
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,440
experiences so i think that that's part

952
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,839
of the reason i'm so on the other

953
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:16,480
side um perhaps it would be different if

954
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,079
i had friends that shared their story

955
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,839
i just want to say just uh jump in real

956
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,160
quick i have 4 000 hours of military

957
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,960
flying and i have zero experiences of

958
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,119
seeing ufo however i did have one when i

959
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,200
was 14.

960
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:33,040
during the hudson valley craze of which

961
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,320
there's been

962
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,680
the hudson valley sightings there's

963
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,200
probably been three or four books

964
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,119
written about that

965
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,760
wow none in the military though however

966
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,920
i did head out to albuquerque to

967
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,920
kirtland air force base i met up with

968
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,760
one of my colleagues who's also retired

969
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,160
like myself he works with satellites now

970
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,320
and i said dude i know you can't tell me

971
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,480
what you see now or what you know now

972
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,640
because you won't and you can't but did

973
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,240
you ever see anything while flying he

974
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:00,880
said yes he saw like what you saw in

975
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,839
that tel aviv he saw a craft come down

976
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,599
in the middle of their windscreen and

977
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,680
then make a right angle turn and zoom

978
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,800
off and he and the pilot were just like

979
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:12,640
wtf kind of

980
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,240
i wish i wish that more um

981
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,079
older pilots

982
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,839
you know came forward because it does

983
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,440
seem like that there is

984
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,920
a theme where people are

985
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,119
terrified

986
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,560
that if they come forward they're going

987
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,800
to be seen as unwell

988
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:29,839
right right

989
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,920
yes either unwell or a liar so

990
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,560
i think if more came forward

991
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,880
i mean that if you only have a handful

992
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,880
you could certainly make that assessment

993
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,119
and people would would jump on that

994
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,920
assessment but if there are a collective

995
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,760
group and more and more come forward

996
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,680
it's harder to dismiss

997
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,520
a large group of people that seem to

998
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:52,839
have a similar

999
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:56,000
experience well nathan the uh national

1000
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,839
press club

1001
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,000
yeah we'll see i mean there is quite a

1002
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,960
bit of uh historical evidence and you

1003
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,200
know deb would literally be able to bury

1004
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,520
you in a mountain of it she's done a lot

1005
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,160
of research in uh sort of

1006
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,400
different uh foil libraries

1007
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,000
you know sort of different branches of

1008
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,240
the military there are a lot of reports

1009
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:18,240
through you know through the history of

1010
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,599
different sightings

1011
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,839
uh from very credible uh trained

1012
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,320
observers pilots and other military

1013
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,400
personnel police officers there's a lot

1014
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,240
of stuff that's out there

1015
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,320
um i think that

1016
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,560
you know where i would be interested

1017
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,800
from this topic really is kind of again

1018
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,640
coming back to the paranormal side of it

1019
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,560
it really speaks to

1020
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,800
the nature of like what is

1021
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,800
what is our reality you know like what

1022
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,240
what what is

1023
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,320
the limit of our knowledge like what is

1024
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,320
the uh what is beyond our current

1025
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,320
understanding of what you know we know

1026
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,640
to be true in our science and it seems

1027
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,560
to be that there is kind of

1028
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,280
as we would rationally accept there is

1029
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,200
more that we don't know than we do know

1030
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,520
about the universe in which we live

1031
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,920
and that mystery i think leaves a lot of

1032
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,760
open-ended questions it means we should

1033
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,359
continue searching and trying to find

1034
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,640
those answers and

1035
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,320
throw everything we can at it from a

1036
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,160
scientific perspective

1037
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,640
um i'm of the opinion that consciousness

1038
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:16,640
plays a big part of the in in this that

1039
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,920
it that consciousness actually connects

1040
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,000
not only the paranormal side of it but

1041
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,160
also the ufo side of it because

1042
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,920
everything occurs in perception

1043
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,280
everything occurs

1044
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:30,240
in our conscious perception of reality

1045
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,280
and so

1046
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,920
the there are folks that uh you know for

1047
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,560
example that are have our physicists you

1048
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,400
know now are looking at it from uh from

1049
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,000
from a quantum mechanics standpoint and

1050
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,119
saying look

1051
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,040
there really is no sort of

1052
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,280
material reality there's no physical

1053
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,440
kind of object everything is

1054
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,079
uh really there when it is observed that

1055
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,400
says something about that the role of

1056
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,920
the observer

1057
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,880
in in what we know to be real

1058
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,560
and i'm not just that sounds kind of

1059
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,720
crazy and you know woo or whatever but

1060
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,079
it literally is what a lot of our

1061
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,560
physicists are saying that you know this

1062
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,800
spooky action distance or whatever this

1063
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,640
quantum entanglement

1064
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,800
it is something that becomes more real

1065
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,720
when it is observed the double slit

1066
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,960
experiment is a good example of this so

1067
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,800
i think the mystery or the secrets or

1068
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,960
the answers really kind of lie in that

1069
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,560
direction that we have to sort of keep

1070
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,400
chasing that and figure out

1071
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,000
you know what is

1072
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,400
at base reality and can we even

1073
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,160
experience that you know we all know we

1074
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,480
only can see a certain sliver of

1075
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,320
the spectrum of light we can only you

1076
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,320
know taste and smell certain you know

1077
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,800
sort of things so what is it that is

1078
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,960
beyond that and what can we directly

1079
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,359
experience and know

1080
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,440
well also interesting because you said

1081
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:45,200
that you have a master's in divinity

1082
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:46,240
that's right

1083
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:47,040
so

1084
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,079
i mean

1085
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:50,720
a lot of us have some

1086
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,839
iota of faith right exactly and for most

1087
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,720
people

1088
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,560
if we repeated some of the stories that

1089
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,640
we listen to in

1090
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,720
our synagogues or our

1091
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,119
moths or chapels they'd go you're out of

1092
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,359
your mind right that's right

1093
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,520
but we have this like little sliver of

1094
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,119
faith and hope that

1095
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,200
there's part of that story that's been

1096
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,040
carried on for

1097
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,599
centuries that it's based on something

1098
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,599
that happened right

1099
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,480
um

1100
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,119
which is why i'm like and i also believe

1101
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,880
that those that have passed on from my

1102
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:25,359
life still are around me

1103
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,400
so

1104
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,960
it's interesting that this is the last

1105
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,440
like in this layer of it

1106
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,880
i'm like

1107
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,359
i need to see some more proof because in

1108
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,240
so many other aspects i'm like i'll go

1109
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,800
with that i'll go with that um

1110
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,920
it makes sense yeah i think it's just a

1111
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,000
i think it's a good thing to challenge

1112
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,319
oneself with all the time and like how

1113
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,480
much do you really know about what is

1114
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,440
around you and that may include you know

1115
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,599
beings from other places other outside

1116
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,520
of the earth certainly the earth is a

1117
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,440
very small part of the entire entire

1118
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,480
universe so right um it's just uh it's

1119
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,079
an interesting and it's a good question

1120
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:06,720
to ask yeah well just before i turn it

1121
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,000
over to another panelist here so uh you

1122
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,800
know being a reality tv fan and just

1123
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,240
observing the world that we live in

1124
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,480
right now where we can't agree on pretty

1125
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,680
much anything you know what do you think

1126
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:22,000
will help us as a society come to a

1127
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,599
place where

1128
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,720
we can

1129
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,880
look at evidence and information and

1130
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,800
kind of come to a similar conclusion

1131
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,560
what kinds of you know sort of

1132
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,480
specialists or authorities have to kind

1133
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,720
of stand up and say hey we

1134
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,119
we all think it's x and and for the

1135
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,800
public to go okay yeah like we we

1136
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:40,640
believe you i mean to me it would seem

1137
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,359
to have to come from a lot of different

1138
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,359
sort of voices of authority from both

1139
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,040
parties and from different you know

1140
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,040
celebrities and artists and everybody

1141
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,880
yeah i think it has to be a number of

1142
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,720
people from all different corners of the

1143
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,359
world i think that that's you know it's

1144
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,400
like if you go to a dinner party and

1145
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,079
everybody there is telling you oh my

1146
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:02,079
gosh that's a great show like i don't

1147
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,359
know why you've been watching it it's

1148
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,040
amazing or

1149
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,119
uh whatever it may be like a sports team

1150
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,200
or something there's something as humans

1151
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,280
that when there's a consensus from

1152
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,640
different groups of people from

1153
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,240
different places

1154
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,880
we tend to be more inclined to listen to

1155
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:19,599
it or believe it so i would say i agree

1156
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,079
with you wholeheartedly on that yeah

1157
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,319
that's why we call him money nathan uh

1158
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:27,359
but now we have to turn you over to our

1159
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,319
humorous uh flareous kevin also known as

1160
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:33,359
kev yeah look at him baby

1161
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,079
hi

1162
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,359
casey man

1163
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,000
all right well i got this pitch for you

1164
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,319
so you know i i was thinking about

1165
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,720
putting together a reality tv show but

1166
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,200
you know i'm in the ufos so i i like

1167
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,359
kind of made this mashup of ufos and

1168
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,760
reality tv and i put a trailer together

1169
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,440
and i wanted to show it to you would you

1170
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,359
be interested in watching it and maybe

1171
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,839
giving some feedback on it you know

1172
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,280
well you should

1173
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,960
ufo chasers

1174
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,880
oh this is the executive producer i

1175
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,640
would want to work with right here kate

1176
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,880
casey oh yeah what's up right now yeah

1177
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,190
excellent well here we go kevin we're

1178
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,240
gonna put it up

1179
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:12,400
all right

1180
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,670
[Music]

1181
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,760
so yeah joe each wife for security

1182
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,160
purposes is assigned a color because you

1183
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,480
know as you know each employee can only

1184
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,560
walk down a specific color and line

1185
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:32,000
according to

1186
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:33,250
the building

1187
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:40,950
so take the red wife for example joe her

1188
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,079
husband may or may not work in shipping

1189
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:46,400
and receiving at the hybrid exchange

1190
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,349
you know i can't actually talk about

1191
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,200
whether my wife's origins are

1192
00:44:07,030 --> 00:43:57,520
otherworldly or not because i'm under an

1193
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,550
you know i can't actually talk about

1194
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:10,400
whether my wife's origins are

1195
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:12,390
otherworldly

1196
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:18,870
like it's supposed to make people

1197
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:22,570
believe because it seems like

1198
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,270
what my god should i be worried about

1199
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,200
you

1200
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,800
[Music]

1201
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:43,680
that's

1202
00:45:02,829 --> 00:44:58,370
[Music]

1203
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,150
cool kate kate can you i mean i feel

1204
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,040
like you are going to be the next great

1205
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,960
executive producer in reality tv can you

1206
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,560
work with that material

1207
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,599
uh no not unless we redo it but oh but

1208
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,560
uh

1209
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,880
i mean there's too much there's too much

1210
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:20,480
in the screen i'm like wait what what's

1211
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,359
going on

1212
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,880
if we call it down we could take it

1213
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,800
please

1214
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,680
okay

1215
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,119
take a hatchet to it

1216
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,000
i'd like to see like the farmer

1217
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,400
in oklahoma hang out with like the

1218
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,880
teacher in australia like they need to

1219
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,599
all get together and then you film that

1220
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:39,119
the hybrid children

1221
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,640
what was the

1222
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,040
trench what was that their name

1223
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,359
i have no idea but i hope you know i was

1224
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,359
joking with that whole trailer thing

1225
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,040
yeah the whole it's a joke

1226
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,280
there is there is a humorous component

1227
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,359
to the show we're not all serious uh

1228
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,720
which deb's about to get here in a

1229
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,640
second but one of the things just to

1230
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:58,240
give you a reason one of the reasons

1231
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,280
that people

1232
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,680
put that photo up about the farm in

1233
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,079
oklahoma the reason for that is because

1234
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,839
today you there are a proliferation of

1235
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,480
fakers that are able to digitally

1236
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,960
interact and mess with photos and when

1237
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,280
you have a photo where you can have

1238
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,960
someone who can look at a photo and say

1239
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:19,599
yeah i can basically date this photo at

1240
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,960
1940 or 50 something and it's not been

1241
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,359
altered well then that that's a big deal

1242
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,880
you know that's a big deal so that

1243
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,800
that's kind of why that photo resonates

1244
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,560
with certain people so got it that makes

1245
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,599
sense yeah so uh deb

1246
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,440
let's take it serious now man the sine

1247
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,440
wave we've gone up with some kevin we

1248
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,040
got to take it back the roller coaster's

1249
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,119
headed back down now

1250
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,000
yeah i guess i just um wanted to ask if

1251
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:47,599
you had any questions for us on the

1252
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,640
phenomenon um since we've done a lot of

1253
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,119
research and spoken to a lot of people

1254
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,599
and i'll do my best to help answer that

1255
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,960
if you have one

1256
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,119
i would just probably ask who do you

1257
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,680
think today is the most compelling

1258
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,800
source

1259
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:04,560
on uaps

1260
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:07,240
okay i think at this point in time the

1261
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,440
bipartisan involvement of congress

1262
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,400
who's of course gotten some documents

1263
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,040
the rest of the public has not gotten

1264
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,520
and seems pretty adamant about getting

1265
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,480
that law passed regarding the ufo

1266
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,079
phenomenon

1267
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,319
which of course they called uaps and

1268
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,079
there's a whole lot going on with the

1269
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,960
intel community for that also but just

1270
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,440
the fact that it's a bipartisan issue is

1271
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,520
pretty compelling to me

1272
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,480
okay

1273
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,599
the ndaa is extremely specific about how

1274
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,880
to collect

1275
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,839
um

1276
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,599
i've also seen

1277
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,520
uh certain things through sources that i

1278
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:47,359
have i've seen video and i've seen

1279
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,559
photos of what they described in the tic

1280
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,800
tac videos so i've seen those

1281
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,880
and i've seen some of the guidance out

1282
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,240
there on

1283
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,960
how to collect uh things that read

1284
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,200
something like stop training

1285
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,079
uh unless and then start to use all

1286
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,400
systems available to collect

1287
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:08,400
on on what this is

1288
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:09,280
and

1289
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:13,760
probably back me up on this there was

1290
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,040
something like 144

1291
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,960
incidents uh that they and they could

1292
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,200
only identify like two of them am i

1293
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,880
right guys

1294
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:25,440
um actually i think that was

1295
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:28,720
within the time frame from

1296
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,760
beginning from the task force looking at

1297
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,000
it up until they wrote the report and

1298
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:35,760
since then there were many more that

1299
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,630
okay so there's there's quite a few

1300
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,880
there's a lot of uh image satellite

1301
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,480
imagery that we're never gonna get

1302
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,559
because of the resolution

1303
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,960
uh that they're able to see things on

1304
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,559
the earth they obviously you wouldn't

1305
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:55,119
want to share that with uh global power

1306
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,160
competition nations like russia or china

1307
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,079
[Music]

1308
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,319
can i also add and this ties into

1309
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,400
something that you said earlier i think

1310
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,760
the fact

1311
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,640
that they were discouraging these pilots

1312
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,119
from reporting anything

1313
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,240
at all

1314
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,640
is the one of the most bizarre factors

1315
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:17,040
in this well i also think that part of

1316
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,480
that could be

1317
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,760
they don't want

1318
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,319
our own country in america they don't

1319
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,640
want americans to

1320
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,800
to be concerned that other countries are

1321
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,119
more advanced than we are

1322
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,280
but they i think that

1323
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,280
they would have been a detriment to

1324
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,760
intel like so i think that they wouldn't

1325
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,280
have gotten information they would have

1326
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:39,359
needed and especially when the armed

1327
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,240
forces

1328
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,520
proceeds

1329
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:42,640
uh

1330
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,480
when it comes to certain governments i

1331
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,160
think you're you're on the right track

1332
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,319
but you're slightly you're slightly off

1333
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,319
they don't want us to think that there's

1334
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,240
anything out there when you talked about

1335
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,480
what the us air force's mission is air

1336
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,319
superiority over the united states

1337
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,760
absolute dominance over our airspace

1338
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,440
that's not the united states navy's

1339
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,119
mission that's not the united states

1340
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,839
marine corps mission etc etc so they

1341
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,680
wouldn't want want you to think the

1342
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,000
american public to lose confidence that

1343
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,520
we didn't have that

1344
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,000
what the the i sent you a video from

1345
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,040
louisando when he interviewed with gq in

1346
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,359
the uk several months ago

1347
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,920
and when they posed that question to him

1348
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,079
he answered that question that you have

1349
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,720
and he says well in the 40s and 50s when

1350
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,760
china was absolutely flat broke and had

1351
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,000
no technology and people were report

1352
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,720
there were they have reports of very

1353
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,200
similar objects same thing with post-war

1354
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:42,160
russia

1355
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,040
uh

1356
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,200
and that's why that they they think do

1357
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,359
you think that back in the 40s and 50s

1358
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,119
that the russians and the chinese were

1359
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,800
producing craft

1360
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,079
that are at the level that we're

1361
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,880
reporting no less now so that's that's

1362
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,960
what his response is to that that

1363
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,280
question interesting and let's watch

1364
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:01,920
this video it's very the it's only 28

1365
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,800
minutes that gq uk video with luis

1366
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:07,440
elizondo he's the former director of the

1367
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,800
program for the pentagon gs15 yeah i was

1368
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,640
just going to say also that this is

1369
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,200
something that gets reported all over

1370
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,240
the world and has for a very long time

1371
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,240
so it's fascinating to me that we would

1372
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,800
ever tell our armed forces not to report

1373
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,839
something

1374
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,760
that could be a risk to us

1375
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,000
especially over military sites

1376
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,000
that was so bizarre to me

1377
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,640
well your your lifeline is i don't want

1378
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,480
to i don't want to be taken off the

1379
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,720
flying schedule so for me personally

1380
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,640
even though i believed in this even when

1381
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,960
i was active duty and flying i was not

1382
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:42,800
gonna well first of all i didn't see

1383
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,800
anything to report but i wasn't even

1384
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,040
gonna engage with discussions

1385
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,720
with my fellow aviators about it because

1386
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,400
they might go to the director of

1387
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,880
operations right and dj's like talking

1388
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:55,040
ufos man like you might you know what i

1389
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,319
mean yeah

1390
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,480
well correct me if i'm wrong dj in the

1391
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:01,520
1500 pages that were just disclosed

1392
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,480
i heard that the uh the shapes of the

1393
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,040
uap were redacted so that kind of goes

1394
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,559
coincides with what you guys are talking

1395
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,200
about and that's that's very sus just

1396
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,640
saying

1397
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,400
they don't want to show us the shapes

1398
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,280
yeah they don't want to talk about uh

1399
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:19,040
what the different shapes of the craft

1400
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,920
are

1401
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,119
um so

1402
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,800
you can read into that what you want i

1403
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,040
heard luis elizondo has another good

1404
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:27,200
take on that but again he's an intel guy

1405
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,880
and i'm not so

1406
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,559
yeah

1407
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:33,040
yep so uh but steph you got it do you

1408
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,480
have another do you have anything else

1409
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,240
kate you want to ask or you want to let

1410
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,079
uh steph ask you a question

1411
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,480
sure she can ask me a question okay

1412
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,000
well you mentioned that you have some

1413
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,760
friends that have you know experienced

1414
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,559
the phenomenon whether it be i'm

1415
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,800
i presume a light being a shadow figure

1416
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:51,119
some sort of a ghost or maybe they heard

1417
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:52,160
something

1418
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,520
now have any of them come forth and said

1419
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,359
that they've ever witnessed a uap

1420
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,960
because what i'm noticing within the

1421
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,680
community no well maybe ask them again

1422
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,440
because a lot of people will hold back

1423
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,520
because of the stigma

1424
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,640
i'm finding that there is a connection

1425
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,599
from yeah

1426
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:11,200
i think this is a great question i'm

1427
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,880
going to post this in my facebook group

1428
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:14,800
for my show i'm eager to hear what

1429
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,680
people people say because i feel like

1430
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,559
i've created a a community where they

1431
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,240
would feel um

1432
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,079
comfortable enough to say something to

1433
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,160
me oh absolutely i mean i would feel

1434
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,440
comfortable

1435
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,359
asking you any questions so i mean that

1436
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,319
that's awesome that you have that

1437
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,720
platform for for people to come forth

1438
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,119
and you know ask these kind of out there

1439
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,680
questions for a lot of people but you

1440
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,920
know for this community it's pretty it's

1441
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,720
pretty normal if you will but um i am

1442
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,319
finding a connection from people that

1443
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,559
are coming to me that they've witnessed

1444
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,280
uap and then following they've witnessed

1445
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,599
the phenomenon it like some sort of a

1446
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,640
ghost figure and i was not even aware of

1447
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,240
that when i came into this i'm just

1448
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,200
noticing a pattern and it's only it's a

1449
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,359
small handful i would say of people but

1450
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,680
it's it's not every single one but

1451
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,680
there's some sort of a connection from

1452
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:07,520
what i'm gathering

1453
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:08,400
interesting

1454
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,040
by the way before i pass it on to nathan

1455
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,559
i do want to let you know we are having

1456
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,520
two phds on within the next couple of

1457
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:19,440
months we're having dr michael masters

1458
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,880
on who's very much uh into the at the

1459
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,040
time travel notion as to how they're

1460
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,040
getting here and then we're having dr

1461
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:28,960
gary nolan who is part of this sort of

1462
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,880
invisible college of uap researchers

1463
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,400
that are

1464
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,040
how would you describe them nathan

1465
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,559
the the invisible yeah so the this term

1466
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,040
the invisible college has been used to

1467
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,760
describe uh academics who have been

1468
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,000
studying this in secret

1469
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,160
basically they've not been willing to be

1470
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,799
public about their interest in it

1471
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,319
but they they kind of know each other

1472
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,319
some of them know each other because of

1473
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,720
uh you know mutual interest and whatnot

1474
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,880
um and the argument i guess recently has

1475
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,960
been that a lot of these folks who've

1476
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,440
been in that you know group

1477
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,119
have been sort of stepping out of the

1478
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,520
shadows and becoming you know much more

1479
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,200
public and the fact that they are

1480
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,720
studying this so

1481
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:15,680
dr gary nolan for example is um one of

1482
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,480
the more recent uh sort of people that

1483
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,079
have really stepped into the public

1484
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,400
spotlight he's a stanford

1485
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,559
uh deb you may know biologist or

1486
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,400
geneticist he's uh

1487
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,040
he was like he was a nobel like

1488
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,559
contender at some point for the work

1489
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,799
that he's done so he's a very well known

1490
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,640
uh he's got an entire department named

1491
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,880
after him in stanford

1492
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:38,960
um he studies like the connection

1493
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:41,839
between like uh the brain like i guess

1494
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:45,680
like impacts on on brain physiology

1495
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:48,079
in relation to people who have claimed

1496
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,079
to have been in close proximity to a uap

1497
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,319
uh so you know interesting stuff that is

1498
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,920
happening in kind of the scientific

1499
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,200
communities there

1500
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,480
you're probably wondering why he's

1501
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,640
coming on we're wondering the same thing

1502
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:05,670
no

1503
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,079
you want if you're interested in like a

1504
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,079
book that i think would to use one of

1505
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:13,599
nathan's trams that might be a good

1506
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,799
on-ramp for you that we had a uh i as a

1507
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,440
present to nathan i tried i tried really

1508
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,160
hard to get this lady named dr diana

1509
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:25,680
pasulka she teaches at unc charlotte

1510
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,920
uh and she did some research she is a uh

1511
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,920
nathan wojciech she has a doctorate in

1512
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:34,559
catholic studies yeah she's a professor

1513
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,480
of uh religion and philosophy um

1514
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,079
background and you know she's a catholic

1515
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,000
uh raised catholic and i think he's

1516
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,480
still a practicing catholic but she

1517
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,680
wrote a great book called american

1518
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,559
cosmic this came out a few years ago

1519
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,319
just kind of chronicling her study of

1520
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,440
this and uh her kind of in a way falling

1521
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,640
down a little bit of the rabbit hole

1522
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,559
with some of these academics

1523
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,720
who have studied this uh she went to the

1524
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,960
vatican looked at the vatican archives a

1525
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,720
lot of material there just a really

1526
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,480
interesting read um and i think we'll be

1527
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,880
hearing more from her in the next uh you

1528
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,720
know few months and years she's working

1529
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,599
on a new book that looks at kind of the

1530
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:13,680
uh the topic of synchronicity like in

1531
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,240
creativity and all that kind of stuff so

1532
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,799
and its connection to to this topic

1533
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,559
actually she

1534
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,200
she revealed something nathan recently

1535
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,720
about

1536
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,599
her uh the place in the new mexican

1537
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,480
desert that she was taken to see actual

1538
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,960
material she revealed that she was the

1539
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,400
one that actually

1540
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:36,799
knew of that spot and took them which is

1541
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,680
180 degrees from the book am i correct

1542
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,440
yeah that well there's something um

1543
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,760
there's there's apparently this place uh

1544
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:46,240
in the new mexico desert that has been

1545
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,440
deemed the

1546
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:49,440
gifting field i don't know who called it

1547
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,319
that

1548
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,760
uh but

1549
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:53,680
in the book she describes how she and

1550
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:56,559
this uh dr gary nolan who she in the

1551
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,599
book she

1552
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:59,119
names him pseudonymously we didn't even

1553
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,880
know who he was until

1554
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,480
um a few months ago

1555
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,440
um

1556
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,720
but she and gary went to this

1557
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,400
like they i think they were blindfolded

1558
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,799
i believe taken taken out there

1559
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,079
because they didn't want to disclose the

1560
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,839
specific location

1561
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,240
they found some sort of metal or whatnot

1562
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,480
or objects and they had them studied in

1563
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,319
a lab and those studies are still

1564
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:23,040
ongoing so it's an interesting story

1565
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,000
um

1566
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,359
i think it's a great book really

1567
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,040
fascinating good kind of summary of this

1568
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,000
topic and uh and she takes a uh

1569
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:32,319
her view on this uh in the in american

1570
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,000
cosmic really looks at this from the

1571
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:36,079
from the from the sort of standpoint of

1572
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:37,040
how

1573
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,000
uh

1574
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:41,040
this topic of ufos in a way is almost

1575
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,000
like

1576
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,240
spawning a new kind of religiosity or

1577
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:46,720
religious you know sort of an interest

1578
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,839
um but there's also this intersection

1579
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,760
between you know kind of technology and

1580
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,680
and if you look at our our religious

1581
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,359
history in the world you know our

1582
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,200
religious traditions all have as you

1583
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,280
said earlier have this strange

1584
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,079
you know kind of connection between uh

1585
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,839
you know weird things that happen in the

1586
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,920
sky and uh

1587
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,440
you know things that are written about

1588
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,839
those experiences so in in our histories

1589
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,000
we call them you know angels and you

1590
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,839
know and god but you know it could be

1591
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,119
that these are

1592
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,040
not that at all but you know maybe it's

1593
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:19,359
the same type of phenomenon that that we

1594
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:21,040
see in the ufo

1595
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:22,160
uh in

1596
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,589
anyway yeah that was a long explanation

1597
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,589
we're about we're about at the point

1598
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,839
that uh that we have to wrap it up and

1599
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,480
uh get kate out of here so she can go

1600
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,640
and uh relieve her eldest child of the

1601
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:43,119
responsibility of containing everybody

1602
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,280
um right i will say this um as my last

1603
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,960
part and then i'm gonna you know hand it

1604
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,640
over to the other cabbies and yourself

1605
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,880
for any last comments and also to talk

1606
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:54,720
about everything that you're doing

1607
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,520
because uh i admire you and obviously

1608
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,760
you know that i admire you normally

1609
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,400
enormously as an interviewer uh and an

1610
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,400
intellect in our space meaning

1611
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,119
podcasting and somebody that uh

1612
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,599
regardless of how much how many tv

1613
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,400
reality tv shows i don't watch anymore

1614
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,319
i'm still to be listening to you

1615
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,720
regardless oh i hope so thank you the

1616
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,520
brian boylan interview was like you said

1617
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,079
he is like i he's gold he's he's like

1618
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:23,760
having cake casey on

1619
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,040
um but what i was gonna say you know uh

1620
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,880
regarding consciousness that nathan

1621
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:31,520
brought up and when i listen to people

1622
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,799
like nathan and others uh that are in

1623
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,880
this space that if you pursue it any

1624
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,720
further you'll get to know some of these

1625
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,640
names when they start talking about

1626
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,079
consciousness something that's a little

1627
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,720
bit of a mystery to us is it your spirit

1628
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,640
like when you die that you know a lot of

1629
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,000
us believe that

1630
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:50,319
when the body passes that that

1631
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,599
consciousness

1632
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:53,520
goes somewhere else and it but it lives

1633
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:57,040
it it doesn't die with the body

1634
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:00,319
when you talk about uaps like what they

1635
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:03,040
saw on the princeton uh

1636
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,640
and uh the aircraft carrier i don't know

1637
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,079
if anybody can help me with the name of

1638
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:08,720
that aircraft the nimitz case oh

1639
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,990
when i lived in virginia beach my friend

1640
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:16,640
worked on the nimitz

1641
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,280
what's interesting is the roosevelt when

1642
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:21,520
they were training in virginia beach

1643
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,079
there's a pilot named ryan graves that

1644
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,640
that had a number of sightings basically

1645
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:28,960
he said every day for over a year they

1646
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,760
were seeing uh different types of orbs

1647
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,359
that's that one where they say oh it's

1648
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:35,040
rotating you know where you see that

1649
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,079
where they're they're looking at

1650
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,079
something that looks like a saucer and

1651
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,839
then it just does one of these numbers

1652
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:41,359
and we don't have aircraft that could do

1653
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,160
that

1654
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,559
uh without wings anyway

1655
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:47,280
uh the gimbal video thank you debs

1656
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,160
but what i was going to tell you is

1657
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,319
i also agree with with nathan and the

1658
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:53,680
others that consciousness is sort of

1659
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,559
this link that binds together uh the

1660
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:58,400
spiritual world that we would call

1661
01:02:02,390 --> 01:01:59,359
ghosts

1662
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,400
uh uh a lot of people believe out at

1663
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,240
skinwalker ranch some of the entities

1664
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,480
out there and uap

1665
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:09,039
but one thing that's existential is when

1666
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,839
the nimitz is able to paint this on a

1667
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:14,880
phased array radar and clock it moving

1668
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:18,160
at certain speeds moving from 28 000

1669
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:18,960
feet

1670
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,160
mean that's not consciousness right

1671
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:26,319
there that's i have to ask them about

1672
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:27,920
that because i do know people that were

1673
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,880
on the nimitz yes so well i mean you can

1674
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,640
you can listen to accounts of the radar

1675
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,440
operator himself kevin day i don't know

1676
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,280
if you know this but not only do pilots

1677
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,280
and wizos go to school but radar

1678
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,440
operators also go to top gun school

1679
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:43,839
kevin day from the nimitz was one of

1680
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,000
those and he clocked

1681
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,799
that object for seven days prior to

1682
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,200
ordering them to intercept that object

1683
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:53,359
the second thing i want to tell you is

1684
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:55,839
that the aircraft radar itself

1685
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:57,599
uh there's a different type of radar

1686
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,000
that's not a phased array radar like

1687
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,880
what the nimitz has it's a high rf high

1688
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,280
energy radar and when they got behind

1689
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,880
that tic tac

1690
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,520
and that radar illuminated that target

1691
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,039
it jammed it

1692
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:12,880
and that again that's not consciousness

1693
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:15,039
right there that is actual jamming

1694
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,640
they're looking on their radar scope and

1695
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,640
they're they're getting signals that hey

1696
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,400
we're being jammed by this thing

1697
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:21,440
so

1698
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,640
that's real

1699
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,480
uh and when a whizzo and a pilot tell

1700
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:25,920
you that i mean

1701
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,559
uh because the amount of energy that

1702
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,079
comes off of one of these targeting

1703
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,559
radars and i stood in front of one and i

1704
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:34,240
don't know if that's why i'm bald now or

1705
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:37,920
not but uh uh you you do feel like you

1706
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,559
just got hit by you feel very warm and

1707
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:42,640
you feel very sick because i

1708
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,240
accidentally walked in front of one

1709
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,799
testing on the ground so i just that's i

1710
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:48,480
just want to leave you

1711
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,359
uh with those two different radars

1712
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,960
uh painting that and that's not

1713
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:55,200
including the e2 hawkeye that painted

1714
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,960
those objects as well

1715
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:58,880
so okay all right

1716
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,000
uh everybody say goodbye to kkc so she

1717
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,799
can go relieve her eldest child

1718
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,640
okay it's great to have you on and uh

1719
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,240
with kids of my own i totally understand

1720
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:09,920
so hopefully the house is still standing

1721
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,319
um

1722
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:14,720
you know i have five five so it's

1723
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,520
incredible just incredible it's so quiet

1724
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:19,599
how is that possible i've got five as

1725
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:23,670
yeah

1726
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:25,200
what are their ages

1727
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:28,559
well my oldest is 23.

1728
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,240
uh so it's yeah i'm 43.

1729
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,559
look at you

1730
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:35,839
okay

1731
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:37,039
um

1732
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,240
23

1733
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,039
19 i've got a 21 year old

1734
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,920
um then i went down a few generations

1735
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,760
then i've got a i've got a 10 year old

1736
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:46,960
and a

1737
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,119
gosh 14 year old teenager now 13.

1738
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,720
in a spreadsheet kevin you have that

1739
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:55,200
many it's like yeah

1740
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:03,910
deb deb are you on mute oh yeah um i i'm

1741
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,839
at uh 21

1742
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,799
19

1743
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,000
16

1744
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:12,880
and 14 about to be 15.

1745
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:14,319
awesome

1746
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:15,440
there's money

1747
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:18,319
bumpy times ahead and teenage years yeah

1748
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,480
14 and 12 for me

1749
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,400
there you go got an eight-year-old fur

1750
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:24,480
baby that's all

1751
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,680
that's all

1752
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,440
but yeah

1753
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,359
okay yeah it was awesome having you on

1754
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,440
too thank you thanks for exercising the

1755
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:33,520
idea and opening your mind to the

1756
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,510
you're going to come back kate this

1757
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:41,039
isn't the last time

1758
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:42,160
yeah i'll come back i'll tell you what

1759
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:43,839
people say yeah

1760
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,480
yes okay tell us tell everybody where

1761
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,480
they can find you the ufo community

1762
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,400
needs to know this because you're just i

1763
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,200
mean the trinity universities own the

1764
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,520
white house is owned kate casey uh wait

1765
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,000
a minute field hockey player and was it

1766
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:59,680
lacrosse what was the other

1767
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:01,760
and lacrosse what's up man trinity

1768
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,359
university baby well i call it trinity

1769
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,319
college but trinity college sorry yeah

1770
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:10,000
um you can find me whenever wherever you

1771
01:06:14,589 --> 01:06:11,359
listen to podcast reality life with

1772
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,599
keith casey my must watch list is at

1773
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,200
katecasey.substack.com or on my socials

1774
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:18,880
facebook group is reality life with kate

1775
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,000
casey instagram's kkcca

1776
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:24,480
and tick tock it's kate casey and i've

1777
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:28,119
got patreon bonus episodes at patreon

1778
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:31,440
p-a-t-r-e-o-n dot com backslash casey

1779
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,559
that's awesome and then we're going to

1780
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,480
put your link tree in the description so

1781
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,039
oh cool thank you i appreciate you

1782
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:38,960
gonna be in there man party people put

1783
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,079
those hands together for money nathan

1784
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:43,440
thank you very much

1785
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,480
for deb for casey and for our prospects

1786
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:49,119
stephanie this is dj saying peace out

1787
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,240
one love

1788
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:52,240
we'll see you down the road we always

1789
01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:55,280
wondering what's up around that band

1790
01:07:24,549 --> 01:06:57,400
peace